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with you on the review. that is what i meant. >> thank you very much. mr. womack. >> mr. george, you have been inspecting the irs for the better part of -- >> eight years. >> characterize for me and the panel your relationship up to this point with the service you inspect. >> it is a symbiotic relationship in many respects. while there is no question that we have a unique role in terms of the ig relationship between an agency and that we were once part of the irs also that were structured and format in 1998. when that stood us up in our current capacity, we retained some of the responsibilities and that is to protect their current dutch integrity of the tax administration but also vested us with the response abilities of inspector general. >> and he made a recommendation back to the hierarchy -- not the shipment but his predecessor and others -- that have not been acknowledged, honored, put into effect? >> very few. >> but it has happened? >> yes. >> anything along this line? >> no. >> did this surprise you? >> yes, this is unprecedented -- unprecedented. obviously, during the nixon admin
and the house oversight committee? >> sir. >> that's a question. did you tell mr. george this is important information. we learned today, according to your testimony this is going on. did you mr. george you might want to share it with the oversight committee since mr. issa is the one that requested the audit. >> that's not my responsibility. i have responsibility -- >> let me ask you. >> but the point is you were in the meeting. the other two guys are going. mr. shulman and miller han firing. you are at the highest ranking official you knew about it a year ago. didn't you think it was incumbent to set the record straight. your boss testified two months earlier and told congress nothing was going on. he finds out two months later it's going on. you're the highest ranking official. you didn't think it was appropriate to tell congress what was taking place? >> the tg organization does not report to me. >> why didn't you correct the record? why didn't you come to the mr. issa and say you know what? mr. shulman. did you tell mr. shulman he should correct the record? >> no, sir, i did not. >> ha
-- panel of witnesses, the honorable j russell george, the inspector general for tax administration. mr. gregory kutz, assistant inspector general for exempt organizations. welcome back. we know you had a big part in this investigation. we also welcome mr. fink, commissioner of the small is this and self employed division at the irs. pursuant to the rules of the committee, but all three witnesses rise, raise your right hand to take the oath. do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> i do. like but the record reflect all witnesses -- >> let the record reflect all witnesses answered in the affirmative. there is one opening between the two of you, mr. george. thank you again for being here. i know we will rely on you for a number of questions. we appreciate that. i also appreciate the fact that you created a relationship with the acting commissioner that i believe is going to provide a great deal of transparency without redundancy by ommittees. i like to recognize -- george, do you want to make any
outlined in mr. george's forthcoming report. in no way shape or form is this kind of access ever corporate. this bureaucratic largess is even more unsettling as we face budget shortfalls across the board in critical areas of government including our own national defense. it seems we have a new missteps every day at the irs. i am very troubled at what may come to light next. so we've got to take every step possible to figure out how we can stop this kind of abuse in its tracks. mr. commissioner, and you are the man. we are the middle of some very grim budget times. we simply cannot allow the irs or anyone else to waste precious tax dollars on improper practices. maybe even illegal, that treat americans unequally for any for herbalists activities or improper tax refunds, which .'m told there are 13 billion to provide you with $10 million annually to fulfill your duties, we expected to spend it wisely and effectively. mr. werfel, i know you have already publicly stated that these conferences were inappropriate uses of taxpayer dollars and that you intend to root out any other inappropriate be
. >> mr. george, according to your report the irs conference in anaheim in 2010 cost more than $000,000 is that correct? >> yes, it is, sir. >> you could have saved a million dollars by holding this conference in orlando? >> mr. fink, are you familiar with this guy? >> this is the gsa official in the hot tub. have you ever seen that picture? >> i have seen that picture, yes, jury mr. george, in your report you have squirting fish as part of $64,000. is any one -- has any one seen a squirting fish. did you see one at the conference? >> no, sir,, i did not. >> mr. fink, we have what we understand is the swag from the event. it also included i'm kind of confused by saying this, a plastic squirting fish. why would people get a plastic squirting fish? >> congressman, as i mentioned, i honestly have no idea what the plastic squirting fish was. >> when did you think that something was wrong here? did you ever think something was wrong here? you are in charge. this is what is so infuriating. you are in charge. >> while your fellow he americans are losing their jobs and their health insuranc
on the health -- the hill. mr. george, thank you for being here again with this. i want to echo my colleagues deep concern about the targeting scandal and other inappropriate spending at the address. the irs is -- has committed grave violations of the public trust that should give all americans cause for deep concern . today we are discussing at least a threefold misuse of public funds. it is our duty as appropriators to get to the bottom of any misuse of federal dollars, particularly as the subcommittee draft the bill, they will find the irs for the next fiscal year the alleged targeting of conservative organizations applying for tax-exempt status is a shameful violation of the intent of the constitution. i'm deeply offended, as i'm sure all americans are at the notion that the federal agency can somehow pass judgment on an entire group of people simply based on their political affiliation. this activity is even more egregious because the agency of the jerez has such power to ruin the lives of every american. we will not tolerate another political analyst. having in enemy last harkens back t
. there is one opening between the two of you, mr. george. thank you again for being here. i know we will rely on you for a number of questions. we appreciate that. i also appreciate the fact that you created a relationship with the acting commissioner that i believe is going to provide a great deal of transparency without redundancy by committees. i like to recognize -- george, do you want to make any comments ?irst question mark >> yes. today's testimony highlights the results of our audit, a virus confident running for 2010 audit of the--our irs from 2010-2012. we received a specific allegation is excessive spending. overall, we found the irs spent an estimated $49 million for 225 conferences during this three- year period of our review. a conference in california was held at the marriott, hilton, anaheim intels in august of 2010 the cost of $4 million. the small business self employed division of the irs conducted this conference for an estimated 2600 executives and managers. is required at the time, the conference was a cute -- the conference was approved by the deputy commissioners of th
situations we went to, the igta -- tigta, and i think mr. george can speak to what we found, what they found. we made the referrals, and i believe what they found was that those disclosures were ip add very tent and that there had been discipline in one of those cases for somebody not following procedures, but i will, i will, obviously, let mr. george speak to that. that was his testimony. and then our chairman asked mr. george about that, and it would appear from his testimony that it was being with investigated by the inspector general. and that's all we know about it at this point. whether it continues to be investigated. so i just want to emphasize. i said in my opening statement that we also need to look at the lance armstronger issue of 50 -- larger issue of 501c4s in the statutory language in the regulation and how, in fact, it's now being utilized. but i want to finish by just reading the last part of my opening statement. please be assured, and we said this to each one of you and to the american public, please be assured that we take seriously our responsibility to insure that congr
them to carr out the target. and the earlier request, mr. george. they didn't respond or you didn't get a response. is that correct? >> well, they correctly did not identify anyone who gave the order. so you can infer that they either took it upon themselves or hiding the identity of somebody else. which would you conclude? >> at this stage, mr. congressman, with when we questioned them it was in the -- and the circumstances when you're conducting an audit, you are really looking at, you know, institutional . >> it would be mr. werfel's first question in cincinnati. who gave you the order. >> understanding was an audit. his was seeking out who made the call. >> it could be. it's an important fact i need to bring up, congressman. we working with the department of justice are looking further in to matter, and if mr. werfel were to exert himself too much to the process, it might impact our ability to -- and the justice department's ability to continue our review. so. >> and mr. george, changed lines here a second. it's been reported recent they are senate democrats have been asked the irs
in one of those cases where somebody not following procedures, but i will obviously let mr. george speak to that. that was his testimony. and then our chairman asked mr. george about that and it would appear from his testimony that it was being investigated by the inspect her general and that is all we know about it at this point. whether it continues to be investigated by the inspect your general. so let me just finish. i just want to emphasize that said in my opening statement that we also need to look at the larger issue of 501(c)(4)s of the statutory language in the reagan nation and how in fact it's now being utilized. but i want to finish by reading the last part of my opening statement. please be assured that i said this to beach in one of you and to the american public. please be assured that we take seriously our responsibility to ensure that congress gets to the bottom of what happened and those responsible are held accountable in the safeguard or please to ensure this does not happen again. we will do that. we on the democratic side will do that. i trust on a bipartisan basis,
evasion. >> mr. george, according to your report the irs conference in anaheim in 2010 cost more than $4 million, is that correct? >> yes it is, sir. >> you could have saved a million dollars by holding this conference in orlando? >> mr. fink, are you familiar with this guy? this is the gsa official in the hot tub? have you ever seen that picture? >> i have seen that picture, yes, sir. >> mr. george, in your report, you have squirting fish as part of $64,000. has anyone, anyone seen a squirting fish? did you see one at the conference? >> no, sir, i did not. >> mr. fink, we have what we understand is the swag bag from the event. what was in these swag bags, it also included, i'm kind of confused by saying, this is a plastic squirting fish. why would people get a plastic squirting fish? >> congressman, as i mentioned, i honestly have no idea what the plastic squirting fish was. >> when did you think that something was wrong here? >> in -- >> did you ever think something was wrong here? you're in charge. this is what is so infuriating. you're in charge!. >> while your fellow americans are l
mr. george, the ig was talking about, that in formalizing the process, yes there have been delays and they asked for unnecessary information but there's going to have to be a formal process for this to make sure that groups requesting tax' exempt status deserve and it their activities under a 501(c)(3) are actually social welfare and not political activity which is not a allowed by the law. >> a lot of work there judge footprint. >> yes, absolutely a lot of work. the essence of the case against the irs is they did not treat an mix can'ts -- applicants with the same level of scrutiny. if they're going apply the strict scrutiny to everybody it's a tremendous amount of work and a tremendous cost but it will be more fair. >> shepard: that's what this hearing and the investigations which will no doubt follow are all about. putting a wrap on things this afternoon, we'll have continuing coverage of the hearings, very important hearings. we'll have a complete recap for you tonight, 7:00 eastern time, 6:00 in the central time zone on fox report. right now, a quick look at the dow before we
through a line of questioning primarily with mr. george. how is it that you did not know that things were rotten in your shop? i'm asking you a question, did you report to anyone else up the chain? so no need to report to anyone up in the chain, is that your testimony? >> of course nothing he did there did not undermine the integrity, public hearings do not undermine the committee's integrity. and so undermining witnesses does not undermine the integrity of the investigation. but the chairman announcing his conclusion about the investigation, before the investigation? you know, that kind of sort of does undermine the integrity of the committee's investigation. and elijah cummings has now rope a doped darrell issa into an exquisite trap. he wrote a letter today and it is just a beautiful thing. just beautiful. june 13th, 2013. the honorable darrell issa, chairman, he has to say honorable. that is you know what they say to each other. it is just perfect. the first paragraph begins as it must with the usual formality that places it in the sequence of their corresponding. and the public's rig
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not following procedures. but obviously i will let mr. george speak to that. that was his testimony. and then our chairman asked mr. george about that. it would appear, from his testimony, that it was being investigated by the inspector general. that is all we know about it at this point. whether it continues to be investigated by the inspector general. me just finish. i just want to emphasize, i said in my opening statement that we also need to look at the larger issue of 501 c four, of the statutory language and how in fact it is now being utilized, but i want to finish by just reading the last part of my opening statement. please be assured, and we said this to each and everyone of you and the american public, please be assured that we take seriously our responsibility to ensure that congress gets to the bottom of what happened here. that those responsible are held accountable and that safeguards are in place to ensure that this does not happen again. surely the democratic side we will do that. basis thatbipartisan we will work together to do that. >> mr. johnson is recognized. >
? >> there was a crowd of paramedics. >> got you. mr. george zimmerman's still in the back seat of your car with his legs out on the ground? >> correct. that is correct. >> the paramedic attending to him. >> correct. >> do you know which one made the decision transport or not? >> which paparamedic? i do not. >> okay. seems that the decision to release him back to you was what was done. >> yes. >> did you have any impact on that? like i want to get him to the station, are we done here, what's going on? >> no, sir. >> you left that in their hands? >> yes, sir. >> so he's then released to you. >> correct. >> and put him in the back seat of the car. at some point, did you actually have to help him get up out of the car for the rest of the examination, were you sort -- where you lifted him up? i'm sorry. let me start -- he was still cuffed in the back seat of the car, correct? >> correct. >> as he was being treated by medical personnel, he was cuffed. >> he was still handcuffed, yes. >> at that point, all you know is that he's acknowledged something shot somebody. >> correct. >> and you're not going to releas
.g. and asked him to explain the omission. asking you to ask mr. george to return to the committee to provide the appropriate context for his report and answer questions under oath regarding all of these matters. our committee in its oversight role has an obligation to fully understand the manner in which i.g. conducted his audit and in what direction. deeply troubling is the office auditlly said, "our report answered questions it was asked to address." hadhouse oversight chairman specifically requested investigators "narrowly focused on key party organizations. we asked about this in a letter. he responded -- he responded that many -- it responded that many of the press reports are not accurate. if some of the reports were accurate, the initial explanation of the scope of the audit is inconsistent with the incription of the audit work the 2013 audit plan and the stated objective on the first page of the may 14, 2013, audit report. was toted objective determine whether allegations were found that the irs targeted specific groups applying for tax-exempt status, delayed processing targeted grou
, the mta will need a new number there. >> thank you, mr. pine. >> michael barrette? george bloom and greg giber. good afternoon madam chairman and board. i am representing north beach and the city of san francisco, and suggesting that we do not do the pagota dig, originally this is not in the master plan. and they want to spend 80 million dollars to dig two parallel tunnels under stockton street. and it never were planned on and they also do not have plans to put a station there, this is just going to be the (inaudible) left there and in turn, the person that has the right to that property on that, we paid 3 million dollars, and of our tax payer's money, for nothing. and to... they originally planned to stop the boring in china town and it makes much more sense to keep it that way and none of the extensive work on both forest street or on to the procidio will continue for at least 15 years so i strongly suggest not to do the dig of the pagota palace and leave north beach alone for the time being. >> stewart bloom, followed by greg giber and then mark gruberg. >> madam chairman and ladies
remember the phone disconnecting prior to learning from mr. martin that george zimmerman was keeping his eye on him was while, what you believe to be when mr. martin was at the mail area? >> yes, sir. >> and after that -- so after mr. martin left the mail area, as best as you know, and began walking towards where his -- where trayvon was staying. >> yes, sir. >> did the phone cut off again? >> yes, sir. >> and then did you call him back? >> yes, sir. >> and then after you called him back, that was, in fact, the last call of the evening between you and mr. martin? >> yes, sir. >> that's the call that was cut off? >> yes, sir. >> the call that you lost, whether it was disconnected, before the last call, was when mr. martin was -- >> walking back. >> -- was walking towards where he was staying. >> yes, sir. >> and he was -- he had told you at that point that the man was in the car? >> yes, sir. >> the man was on the phone? >> yes, sir. >> and that he was, he had decided to go ahead and go on home. >> you told him to do that, right? >> yes, sir. >> in fact, you told him to run? >> yes, sir.
of those cases for someone not following procedures. but obviously i will let mr. george speak to that. that was his testimony. and then our chairman asked mr. george about that. it would appear, from his testimony, that it was being investigated by the inspector general. that is all we know about it at this point. whether it continues to be investigated by the inspector general. so, let me just finish. i just want to emphasize, i said in my opening statement that we also need to look at the larger issue of 501 c 4, of the statutory language and how in fact it is now being utilized, but i want to finish by just reading the last part of my opening statement. please be assured, and we said this to each and everyone of you and the american public, please be assured that we take seriously our responsibility to ensure that congress gets to the bottom of what happened here. that those responsible are held accountable and that safeguards are in place to ensure that this does not happen again. surely the democratic side we will do that. trust on a bipartisan basis that we will work together to
with george moscone for so many years. mr. mayor, it was when we were in law school together, we were fellow janitors at hastings college of law. george moscone was amazing. he was just as aggressive about inclusionary activities. he was just as focused on sharing. and he had an immense pride in the city and county of san francisco like no other. i suspect that much of my love of the city comes from my exposure to george in those very early years. george went through a considerable amount of evolutionary process politically. he allowed john burton to talk him into running for the state legislature. an unsuccessful effort for the state assembly. he went on to become, obviously, a supervisor in the city and county of san francisco. and in those days it was a different city. it was dramatically different. there was no such thing as a so-called progressive, david campos. there was no such thing as somebody in that category. george moscone, philip burton, represented that which we all now richly enjoy. george went on to become a state senator. and in that capacity, scott, it was george moscone wh
house photographer during all eight year to of -- eight years of george w. bush's administration. we talked to mr. draper. this is about 15 minutes. [inaudible conversations] >> how are you doing? [laughter] >> it's about time. [inaudible conversations] >> a great turnout. yes. thanks. good seeing you here. >> where not going to see you otherwise. [laughter] >> thank you, steve. >> thank you so much. >> a great crowd. >> hell are you? how are you? >> that is a big line, the way. >> okay. [inaudible conversations] >> sent you for coming out. now, different kinds of events. this is been the best so far. >> the first time. >> they're is a long line outside. >> really? okay. get to see you. >> first of all, i worked here at edelman. thank you so much for coming out in support of this man, eric, and his new book, "front row seat." i had the honor and privilege of referring to this. so every morning we started obviously, and it was like a blank slate. dexter video or all the other avenues, but i always told eric that the photos will like the paint. so it helps tell the story of the george
evidence. this was the testimony that will mr. zimmerman, that george zimmerman told lind zee folgate who saw him in the notes she made about seeing him, that he had done mixed martial arts. his defense attorney says that's exercise. now we're seeing mixed martial arts introduced on the other side of the case. before it was about martin, whether or not he was punching mr. zimmerman mixed martial arts style. now we see it on the other side. >> listen, football and wrestling, those are aerobic exercises too. this is definitely going to hurt, but i just want to also get to the point of the injuries because the last guest said something really interesting. that's those injuries and that testimony was more favorable for the prosecution. however, mr. o'mara did something brilliant and that is this. he will let the physicians assistant amplify on the underlying injuries. meaning not just what was seen but was underneath the body. and there ever, made the injuries seem much more serious than they appear. another thing that mr. o'mara did was he asked the physician's assistant to go through the tr
gonzalez. >> the record will reflect the presence of mr. zimmerman. >> reporter: george zimmerman, the man accused of killing an unarmed teenager in florida, in the courtroom as attorneys began trying to narrow a jury pool of about 500 people down to the 6 who will decide zimmerman's fate. >> could you estimate how many times you may have heard or read or talked about the case? >> reporter: the attorneys have questioned four potential jurors so far, focusing on what they may have already heard about that february night, that zimmerman says he shot and killed 17-year-old trayvon martin in self-defense. zimmerman's wife and brother in court here in sanford, florida, as he faces a second-degree murder charge. >> i believe it's an improper charge altogether. i wish they would just withdraw it. >> reporter: to many in this polarized central florida city, this is a case about race. not just for those who believe martin was targeted because he was black. but analysts say, in part, for the attorneys trying to narrow 500 potential jurors down to the 6 who will decide zimmerman's fate. the emotion,
where we are. last week -- or two weeks ago -- we had a hearing where mr. george and mr. miller appeared. themiller accepted dig's -- g's report, but said i do not agree with the use of the word targeted in the report. agreeller would not even that certain organizations and/or individuals were treated differently in this process. he did, however, say, as the we provided poor customer service. poor customer service. i did not have a lot of time to ask mr. miller additional questions, but i'm trying to figure this out. resign miller asked to by the president of the united states because he provided poor customer service? if mr. miller provided poor customer service and was asked to resign by the president, who else provided poor customer service that should be asked to resign? ?nder mr. miller under ms. lerner? under the other names that were brought up -- would be my question. we know it was more than poor customer service. because mr. miller goes on to poorwell, it was just customer service. i want to apologize. then he came up with excuses. then he said there was really no attempt here
let's step back and see where we are. last week, two weeks ago we had a hearing. mr. george and mr. miller appeared. mr. miller excepted the ig's report. he said he accepted it fully, but on the other hand, he said i don't agree with the use of the word targeted in the report, even though it was used 16 times. mr. miller would not even agree that certain organizations and/or individuals were treated differently in this process. he did, however, say, as the chairman said, we provided poor customer service, poor customer service. so i didn't have a lot of time to ask mr. miller additional questions, but, so as i'm can't figure out, was mr. miller asked to resign by the president of the united states because he provided poor customer service? well, if mr. miller provided poor customer service and was asked to resign by the president, who else provided poor customer service that should be asked to resign? under mr. miller -- under ms. lerner, under the names that were brought up, that would be my question. rather, we know that it would be more poor customer service. because mr. miller
russell george, the inspector general for tax ministration. mr. gregory kutz, assistant inspector general for exempt organizations. welcome back. we know you had a big part in this investigation. we also welcome mr. fink, commissioner of the small is this and self employed division at the irs. pursuant to the rules of the committee, but all three witnesses rise, raise your right hand to take the oath. do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> i do. like but the record reflect all witnesses -- >> let the record reflect all witnesses answered in the affirmative. there is one opening between the two of you, mr. george. thank you again for being here. i know we will rely on you for a number of questions. we appreciate that. i also appreciate the fact that you created a relationship with the acting commissioner that i believe is going to provide a great deal of transparency without redundancy by committees. i like to recognize -- george, do you want to make any comments first? >> yes. today's testimony
, if he's mr. jefferson, who are you? >> i'm george jefferson, too. >> what you talking about, willis? >> that's the wrong show, and he stole that from me. >> wait a minute. am i mr. jefferson, too? >> no. you're still florence. >> so i'm working for 2 mr. jeffersons? i'm expecting 2 paychecks. >> huh! you're lucky to get one. >> you got that right. >> ha ha! >> heh heh heh! wait a minute. i'm on "the jeffersons"? i'm on "the jeffersons"?! look at me! look at it! bam, bam, bam, bam! look out there! look at the-- look! there are pictures of-- there the room right there. oh, my goodness. eh, mama? mama, i'm on "the jeffersons"! mama? >> hold, hold, hold. sorry. ain't no cameras. we taped our last show in 1985. >> ok, then why am i here? >> yeah, why is he here? >> because you here to learn about the rich and snooty. i mean, who knows more about living with the elite than me? i fit right in. ha ha ha ha! >> oh, you lived here, mr. jefferson, but you never did fit in. >> look, i am your guide. nobody can see me but you and florence. >> how did i get so lucky? >> ok, but that's impossible
fiscal years, from 2007 to 2009. when the irs spent an astonishing $72 million on conferences. mr. george, the scope of your inquiry was limited. but let me say this, mr. chairman, it would be legislative malpractice, legislative malpractice if we did not bring mr. shuman and here to asksam, to explain to and explain tom us why in 2007, 2008, the conference budget was over $13 million, and more than doubled when we are going into a recession, when president bush is coming to us, telling us to ouruise the fall, that economic situation is about to go over a cliff. we've". it would be legislative malpractice if we don't figure out what happened there. because if we are truly going to get to the cause of this, we have to understand what happened to calls something to do double. >> see that entire hearing tonight at 9:15 eastern on c- span. governor chris christie today appointed state attorney general jeffrey chiesa to fill the senate seat >> i realize the pursuit of peace is not as germanic as the pursuit of war, and frequently the words of the pursuant fall on deaf years, but we have no mor
and statistics driven. -- audits are more numbers and statistics driven. i would respectfully disagree with mr. george that he does not see the potential for criminal conduct. host: he said he was continuing his investigation as well. how would the special prosecutor work? guest: we don't have an infinite counsel statute anymore, that expired. appointsney general himself or herself a special prosecutor. that is the law. that is where we are. , acrosswhere we are jurisdictional investigations. there are allegations of misconduct in ohio, in washington. you could let the u.s. attorney in ohio or in the district of columbia do it, or you could have a prosecutor who has cross state jurisdiction. you need a grand jury, you need subpoena power, you need access to law enforcement. by the way, none of which congress has. however, i want to correct some of my colleagues. it is not either/or. it is not either congress or a special prosecutor, we should do both. we should not be investigating or interviewing people that have criminal exposure. we cannot give immunity, we cannot offer deals. if we could,
these omissions. in all committee democrats have asked you, mr. chairman today, that you ask mr. george to return to the committee to provide the appropriate context for his report, and answer questions under oath regarding all of these matters. our committee, in its oversight role, has an obligation to fully understand the manner which the i.t. conducted this audit and at what direction. deeply troubling is that when asked about the new information that has come tolight. the tressy ig initially said, and i quote, that audit report answered questions it was asked to address. end of quotes. and they house oversight committee chairman darrell issa has specifically requested that investigators, in quote, merely focus on tea party organizations. we asked titta about this in a letter, and it responded in quotes that many of the press reports are not accurate. if these or some of the reports are accurate, titta as initial explain asia of the scope of -- explanation of the scope of the audit is inconsistent with the description of the audit work in the audit plan, and the stated objective on the first p
to aircraft have asked you, mr. chairman today cover that you ask mr. george to return to the committee to provide the appropriate context of his report to the answer questions under oath regarding these matters. our committee with its oversight role has the obligation to fully interesting and the manner in which the ig conducted the audit what direction. deeply troubling when asked asked, the treasury office initially said'' that the audit report entered questions it was asked to address''. a aaron to chairman eisa specifically requested that investigators merely focus on tea party organizations. we passed about this in a letter and he responded in cretaceous 70 press reports are not accurate. of the source of the reports are accurate been the initial explanation of the scope of the audit is inconsistent with the description of the of the audit work of the 2013 audit plan and the stated objective of the first page of the may 14th comment on the report with the stated objective is'' to determine if the allegations were found that they were targeted to specific groups groups, and the vir
what we're hearing from you, in fact i think what we heard from mr. george, inspector general, is there's an investigation that'thatis ongoing. in fact, the chairman of the committee in his opening statement said that we are still in the early stages of this investigation, that the inspector general is doing a more thorough investigation. mr. brady, my colleague on the republican side, said when the going to stop until we learn the whole truth. so we still need to find out the facts. at this stage we have an investigation ongoing. it's a half-baked investigation, and to reach any conclusions would mean we've reached half-baked conclusions. and so whether it's your conclusion or my republican colleagues conclusion, for anyone to make accusations at this stage it's with only part of the information. >> there comes the distinction. to answer questions, is exactly how it happened is not a question we can answer yet. but he think we can answer is there any other sense that any of this has materialize, that's a question we can answer because we are in process and i can comment on whether the
that you're certain that mr. martin wasn't striking george zimmerman in the face, right? >> can you repeat that? >> you're certainly not telling the jury that you know that mr. martin was not striking george zimmerman in the face? >> i can't 100% confirm that that was happening. >> right? >> yes. >> and you just don't want to say that trayvon martin was taking george zimmerman's head and hitting it on the cement because you didn't actually see that, correct? >> yes, i couldn't see that. >> and it was because of the darkness and the positioning of the people? >> yes. >> you of course testified during your deposition and other times regarding what you heard and the disparity or the seeming disparity between what you remember hearing and what the 911 call seems to indicate, right? >> if you're referring to the call you played in my deposition, yes. >> yes. >> it just doesn't seem like the same screams to you, does it in. >> well one's coming from an audio and one i was hearing in person, so it didn't sound the same to me, no. >> so you perceived them differently than you heard on the 911 call
and the fact that george zimmerman was following trayvon and profiled him. >> mr. parks i want to jump off of that. there was more to the description of just being creepy. take a listen to how rachel said trayvon described him. oh, we don't have that, excuse me. let me read it out, she described when they were asked whether or not this was a racial element to this, describing the person as what made you think it was racial, she said yes because he described him as creepy ass cracker. yes, so it was racial but it was because trayvon put race in it and she said no. is trayvon martin being put on trial here? >> think about her answer, she said no. the other part of it you have to say she describes trayvon describing zimmerman with the "n" word so it's a matter of slang he used in the course of it in describing mr. zimmerman, he used the "c" word and the "n" word describing mr. zimmerman. you have to go back to the fact that george zimmerman is the person that saw trayvon, described him as suspicious, described him as black, described him as being on drugs or something, and he decided, so the
that george zimmerman was, what are you doing around here? >> yes. >> then the first statement you made to mr. crump in his interview of you, you said what mr. zimmerman's response was, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> it was in the interview with mr. crump that you said you thought this was a racial thing. >> he asked if it was a racial thing. >> what did he say? >> do you think the situation was a racial thing? >> mr. crump asked you that on the recording? >> yes. >> have you had a chance to look at the transcript or listen to the recording? did you ever hear him say that on the recording? >> compound questions. >> you need to break your question up. >> sure. >> do you remember him saying that specifically to you during that phone interview? >> yes. >> have you ever seen a transcript of the recording or listened to the recording to know whether or not, in fact, it is there? >> yes. >> and it is there? >> no. >> but your comment is that you think it's a racial thing? >> yes. >> so, in other words, mr. crump didn't record that part of the conversation where he asked you if he thought it
george zimmerman as a creepy-ass cracker? >> no. >> and when you met with mr. de la rionda, you didn't tell him in your interview that trayvon said a [ muted ] -- >> yes. >> so the reason you didn't say that, though, was because you didn't think it was relevant? >> nobody asked me. you come ask me what exactly that trayvon said that night about the person that was following him and watching him, that's what you asked me when i met up with you. >> so never before i met with you in march did you ever tell anyone exactly what you heard trayvon martin say? correct? >> about the person, describing the person? >> yes, in any of your interviews were you asked what was said, what happened next -- >> what was said, yes, i did. describing him, no, i did not. i just said creepy -- >> you said some dude's following him -- >> one at a time because the court reporter has to take down both voices. if you'll allow her to please finish her answer. are you finished with your answer? >> yes. >> okay. you may ask the next question. >> of course you wouldn't say it to sabrina fulton because it was offens
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you remember the phone disconnecting prior to learning from mr. martin that george zimmerman was keeping his eye on him was what you believe to be when mr. march tun was at the mail area? >> yes, sir. >> after that ... bill: it's difficult to understand the back and forth. it can be confusion at times. but in a way that is what the defense attorney wants. to pocket inconsistencies in the story of this witness. she wrote a letter and said i was on the phone with trayvon when he decided to go to the corner store. he took a walk to another complex because it was raining so hard. that's what was written in the letter. we will seele how that matches p we have been conditions to expect less and less in the name of more is more. abundant space, available leading-edge technology, impeccable design, and more than you've come to expect from a luxury vehicle. the lexus es350 and epa-estimated 40 mpg es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. martha: fox news alert for you. we'll take you back to the george zimmerman trial where the prosecution's key witness is on the stand for a seco
with the exception of mr. barrel, first thing they point is george bush and bill clinton will be in afri kachlt >> it is wrong. we live in different times when mr. clinton and bush went there. and this is not close to the visits clinton or bush made. and economic times were different. the test is, is it a need or want? it is not a need when americans are suffering, tens of millions of americans are out of work and white house tours are closed because the president can't find enough financing to keep people on their vacations. it is not something that the president needs to do and it is wrong to do it. i agree with democrats and congressman that there is better ways to spend money. >> regular families can't take their children on a tour to the white house because the president said we can't afford. it he is lead by example as opposed to when other folks are forced to cut back on this very expensive trip. >> on the face i would agree. i did research on what this trip is. he's taking is upon you businesspeople with him for investment opportunities in afri kachlt one of the stops is tanza nia. it i
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